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Last post 15-09-2008 17:41 by dnancholas. 30 replies.
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  • 11 Aug 08, 09:44

    Subject: Kaka, Ronaldinho= possible clash?

    Is this why there has been much recent talk of Kaka moving to Chelsea? We witnessed it at the 2006 world cup, on paper Brasil shouldnt have lost the world cup, but rather retained it. The major factor for me, was that Ronaldinho and Kaka were suffocating each other on the left flank. Now with Ronnie coming into form during the olympics, he will surely make the starting 11 upon return to Milan: is there a formation that can work in this situation?

     Gk: Abiatti, Rb Zambrotta, CB: Bonera, CB: Maldini, LB Jankulowski. CM Gattuso; RM Pirlo; LM Ronaldinho; AMF Kaka; ST Pato/ Inzaghi/ Borriello.

    Question is can Kaka Transform into an attacking midfielder or right-wing forward, and leave Ronaldinho to the Left side of the pitch, or will he tend towards the left flank and suffocate creativity?   

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  • 11 Aug 08, 10:17 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Kaka, Ronaldinho= possible clash?

    Yeah the looks pretty sorted in writing but come game time we always suffer for playing only one striker. I'd prefer a more attacking team. My formation would look something be, GK ( i don't really care since it's obvious to all that Milan's three GK's suck) Rb : Oddo, CB Nesta (can't believe u left out Nesta Gio - _ -* )  CB: Bonera, LB: Zambrotta ( so he would support dinho better at the left), CDM : Flamini,  RCM : Pirlo , LCM : Seedorf , AMF: Kaka , SS : Dinho, CF: Borriello

  • 11 Aug 08, 18:00 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Kaka, Ronaldinho= possible clash?

    Kaka's staying.

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  • 11 Aug 08, 20:32 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Kaka, Ronaldinho= possible clash?

    GK: Dida (better the devil you know...)

    RB: Oddo

    CB: Maldini (this is his last year...again)

    CB: Nesta

    LB: Zambrotta

    LDM: Gattuso

    RDM: Pirlo

    LCAM: Kaka

    RCAM: Ronaldinho

    ST: Pato

     

    I know I've given you not much width but it's nigh on impossible to leave any of the midfielders out.  Plus I'm not especially aware of the Milan squad so feel free to pull me up on where I've been a numpty.

     

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  • 11 Aug 08, 21:08 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Kaka, Ronaldinho= possible clash?

    Stephan:

    Yeah the looks pretty sorted in writing but come game time we always suffer for playing only one striker. I'd prefer a more attacking team. My formation would look something be, GK ( i don't really care since it's obvious to all that Milan's three GK's suck) Rb : Oddo, CB Nesta (can't believe u left out Nesta Gio - _ -* )  CB: Bonera, LB: Zambrotta ( so he would support dinho better at the left), CDM : Flamini,  RCM : Pirlo , LCM : Seedorf , AMF: Kaka , SS : Dinho, CF: Borriello

     

    This issue of whether they can play together is one of the problems I had with Ronaldinho's arrival in the first place. I don't believe they can play together.

     

    However, they actually fit perfectly into the christmas tree formation Ancelotti prefers:

     

    Abbiati; Zambrotta, Nesta, Maldini, Jankulovski; Gattuso, Pirlo, Ambrosini; Kaka, Ronaldinho; Pato

     

    That is what Carletto thinks is our strongest line-up. I personally don't think he's far off. Kaka and Ronaldinho will float behind the one striker, going wherever they please. The major issue is the lack of any support from the midfield trio. This is where he needs to change things. Ambrosini must be dropped, there is no need for 3 midfielders protecting the defence (with one of them creating). Ambrosini goes out, Inzaghi comes in. You then have a 4-3-1-2:

     

    Abbiati; Zambrotta, Nesta, Maldini, Jankulovski; Gattuso, Pirlo, Ronaldinho; Kaka; Pato, Inzaghi

     

    Ronaldinho will naturally want to break forward and will cause havoc coming from the midfield trio. One glance at last season will show you that the 4-3-1-2 system produced the results 90% of the time when utilised (which wasn't often).

  • 11 Aug 08, 21:08 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Kaka, Ronaldinho= possible clash?

    cal08:

    GK: Dida (better the devil you know...)

    RB: Oddo

    CB: Maldini (this is his last year...again)

    CB: Nesta

    LB: Zambrotta

    LDM: Gattuso

    RDM: Pirlo

    LCAM: Kaka

    RCAM: Ronaldinho

    ST: Pato

     

    I know I've given you not much width but it's nigh on impossible to leave any of the midfielders out.  Plus I'm not especially aware of the Milan squad so feel free to pull me up on where I've been a numpty.

     

     

    Ok, you've only named 10 players in your line-up! :-D

  • 11 Aug 08, 21:25 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Kaka, Ronaldinho= possible clash?

    Astafjevs:

    Ok, you've only named 10 players in your line-up! :-D

    So I have...right one sec.. 

     

    GK: Dida (better the devil you know...)

    RB: Oddo

    CB: Maldini (this is his last year...again)

    CB: Nesta

    LB: Zambrotta

    LDM: Gattuso

    RDM: Pirlo

    LCAM: Kaka

    RCAM: Ronaldinho

    ST: Pato

    ST: Inzaghi (or any new striker brought in)

     

    Comments?

    Cristiano Ronaldo was bowled over by his player of the year award.

    Even though slow-motion replays showed that it clearly never touched him.
  • 11 Aug 08, 22:34 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Kaka, Ronaldinho= possible clash?

    That would be my ideal line-up. I would play Gattuso, Pirlo and Ronaldinho as a midfield trio (in a 4-3-1-2), with Kaka behind the 2 strikers.

     

    However, Ancelotti prefers a christmas tree. So he'd drop one of the strikers (Inzaghi) and play Ambrosini in the midfield trio. This is our main problem in my opinion. Anyone who saw Italy v Holland would have seen a perfect demonstration as to why playing that midfield is a big no-no.

  • 12 Aug 08, 15:50 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Kaka, Ronaldinho= possible clash?

    I don't think there will be a clash but i think on the field the players will not play well together and may not even pass and communicate to each other.

     

  • 14 Aug 08, 09:52 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Kaka, Ronaldinho= possible clash?

    Surprisingly, not many of you have selected Flamini for your Starting 11's- this is quite remarkable considering many people have considered him to be the signing of this particular transfer window

    From South Africa , with love...
    Hala Madrid!
  • 14 Aug 08, 17:43 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Kaka, Ronaldinho= possible clash?

    Yes and No.

    I'd like to see what ancelotti has up his sleeve It makes me wonder seeing their aged defence and no fresh blood in sight.

    They really missed the boat with Heitinger he would have been a great addition to their squad or cristian zaccardo even martin caceres.

    If they at least had those three the squad would look something like this:

     

                                            Abiatti

            Heitinger        Zaccardo    Caceres    Maldini

                                               Flamini

                      Pirlo                      

                                                        Ronaldinho

                                    Kaka

                            

                          Pato              Borriello

     

    Hope this bloody works but yeah this would be a great squad abiatti is very reliable.pato likes to drift out wide and take up wing duty in counterattacking situation, flamini would provide much needed energy to the midfield, de assis on the left holding the ball making space for kaka and pirlo simple?

    but this is fantasy the reality is lightning slow defenders would cripple this system its madness how you purchase a player who loves to attack and not buy anyone that can defend.

    Im pretty sure this system is what ancelotti will implement well it's the most logical anyway.

       

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  • 15 Aug 08, 01:13 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Kaka, Ronaldinho= possible clash?

    Giovanni:

    Surprisingly, not many of you have selected Flamini for your Starting 11's- this is quite remarkable considering many people have considered him to be the signing of this particular transfer window

     

    Well he would play somewhere in the midfield 3 if he was to start. He won't replace Pirlo if he's available. Gattuso is a first-team starter and will always be one of the first names on the team sheet. That leaves Ambrosini, who won't be dropped because Ancelotti thinks his height is quite useful. Add to the fact Flamini was a free signing, and you have the perfect case for a squad player.

  • 15 Aug 08, 09:29 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Kaka, Ronaldinho= possible clash?

    Yeah but i'm guessing Flamini will be quite angry at the prospect of going from starting line-up at Arsenal to bench warmer at AC Milan. If form and not preference determines who gets in the side then i feel Guttuso should be dropped for Flamini, but that might never happen considering his volatile personality. If Rino has to sit on the bench because of Flamini he might be off to Rangers before next summer comes. Dilemma?- Certainly..

    also, what will now become of Seedorf and more so Emerson. I think if Emerson were a wise man, he would give up getting into that midfield and leave because he is now third choice for his position behind Gattuso and Flamini 

    From South Africa , with love...
    Hala Madrid!
  • 15 Aug 08, 17:57 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Kaka, Ronaldinho= possible clash?

    Seedorf will still get games. He should be starting in my opinion, along with Kaka and Ronaldinho - but Carletto won't do that. As he's one of three creative midfielders in the side, he's certain to play. He won't get as many minutes as last season now Ronaldinho has arrived, but that's no bad thing because it keeps him fresh.

     

    Emerson is a waste of space. He hasn't played anything like his best since he left Juve. He looks fat and overweight, and his performances have been appalling.

     

    Flamini won't be a bench-warmer. Like Seedorf he will get games. Again, he won't start as many as he did for Arsenal, but from I've seen of the lad he understands that there is more competition here than at Arsenal for central midfield places. He will get his playing time and will play a key role. The reason I say he will struggle to start at first is because Gattuso and Ambrosini are both vice-captains.

  • 18 Aug 08, 07:27 In reply to

    Subject: Re: Kaka, Ronaldinho= possible clash?

    Ok, so now i must ask you.. club and manager preference aside, would you agree with me that Flamini had a better season with arsenal last season than Rino did with AC? Flamini should start ahead of both Gattuso and Ambrosini, captain status or not the best players should be on the pitch- not the bench because of situational circumstances that says they should play caus they're captains.

     However like Ac Milan, Real Madrid also has a history of favouritism in starting team captains when they arent playing particularly well. I agree that from 2004 to mid 2006 Raul, and Guti should have been spending more time on the bench because their form was appauling. Especially with Raul- No players place in a side should be concrete, this allows for complacency as they know that if they play badly it wont matter. Its a tough situation

    From South Africa , with love...
    Hala Madrid!
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